tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post115490856011444928..comments2023-07-18T11:19:59.803+01:00Comments on Miss Monification: Miss Monificationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03886468288257840451noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post-1156992065047994872006-08-31T03:41:00.000+01:002006-08-31T03:41:00.000+01:00“Mass preference” is just different perceptions of...“Mass preference” is just different perceptions of what the mass is. <BR/><BR/>Celebration<BR/>If you go to celebrate, self celebration and liturgical novelties are to be expected. I have to disagree though; there is no charismatic mass without liturgical abuse. Charismatic mass IS liturgical abuse. <BR/><BR/>Sacrifice<BR/>If mass is Christ’s Sacrifice for you, then only solemn worship and strict adherence to the rubrics are good enough. Anything less offends the Sacrifice.Murielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02438234433515518800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post-1156112532780351122006-08-20T23:22:00.000+01:002006-08-20T23:22:00.000+01:00Sigh... so hard to explain... I object to the WORD...Sigh... so hard to explain... I object to the WORDING of Mass preferences. I think that wording it like this breeds the "my Mass is better than your Mass" mentality ect ect ect.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that some don't people pray better one way and some another. I just hate the fact that there is so much judgment on the issue. I believe a lot of it comes down to the way in which people speak of the Mass.Miss Monificationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03886468288257840451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post-1156085602797128822006-08-20T15:53:00.000+01:002006-08-20T15:53:00.000+01:00I dream of a day when I walk into a Church for mas...I dream of a day when I walk into a Church for mass and it has the sanctuary arranged in a standard (but personalised) manner, there are altar servers who are male, the priest (and servers assisting)celebrate mass occording to the current rules and the parts of the mass are sung. These are pretty much the basic norms for any good mass that follows the norms set down by the Popes. "Charisms" come after these criteria are met to be legitimate. Any deviation is not a charism, but disobedince of Rome.Archeopterixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02156237150126894198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post-1156084355372771392006-08-20T15:32:00.000+01:002006-08-20T15:32:00.000+01:00I agree with you Monica, but perhaps you don't un...I agree with you Monica, but perhaps you don't understand what you are actually saying. You don't believe that there should be Mass 'preferences' but you agree that there are different 'charisms.' This is, however, contradictory. By having a 'special charism,' a mass will appeal to some more than others. Not in the sense that there is more or less 'Jesus' present, but in the way the mass facilitates people own prayer preferences etc. A mass attended prayerfully has more efficacy than one attended with apathy or distraction.<BR/><BR/>The problem you raise is, however, deeper. Simply, there is far too much variation in masses in the Roman Rite plain and simple. People should not have to have clear 'preferences,' but they do becuase you can go to one parish and another and feel like its almost totally different.<BR/><BR/>I am no fan of Rubricism, but I think you point out inadvertantly that there is far too much freedom to adapt in the current way of doing things. The Mass still retains its inherent beuty and holiness, but above that whatever happens in the random church a perons happens to walk into once is anybodys guess. And that is not a good thingArcheopterixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02156237150126894198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post-1155533531465407722006-08-14T06:32:00.000+01:002006-08-14T06:32:00.000+01:00Hey Miss Liz!Mmmmmmm yeah, I know where your comin...Hey Miss Liz!<BR/>Mmmmmmm yeah, I know where your coming from. People within the Church are drawn to various charisms and I don’t deny that. That’s great. But to me there is a danger to say I “get more out of such and such”. That is the same reason that people use for a “rock mass” or a “clown mass” (Small ‘m’ on purpose here!). It’s ‘more relevant’ to me. <BR/><BR/>To me Mass isn’t about me and what I get out of it. It is about glorifying God. Who cares if I get nothing, as long as God is being glorified. I believe that it’s not what you get out of faith that makes faith real. Faith is what you have when you are getting nothing and still believe. <BR/><BR/>All this being said I am drawn more to some ways of prayer then others. This is a charism, the way in which we are made to live for, and glorify God. I would prefer to be asked “What is your charism” then “what is your Mass preference” because these days the later just seems a way of someone trying to find out whether or not they think that they are more superior to you. <BR/>Make sense Liz?Miss Monificationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03886468288257840451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post-1155403888696549352006-08-12T18:31:00.000+01:002006-08-12T18:31:00.000+01:00I enjoy Gregorian Chant but would love more polyph...I enjoy Gregorian Chant but would love more polyphony, especially Byrd!<BR/><BR/>I understand what you mean though Miss Monification. I have encountered so many snobby attitudes about liturgy. All I ask is that it is done without breaking any of the rules and with a focus on God and the Sacrifice of the Mass. I like the Tridentine Mass but find the people who attend it to be so anti anything else. I find similar snobbery on the other side of things. <BR/>In the end it's the Mass and we should be focused on that. <BR/><BR/>Bec FAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post-1155276595609763542006-08-11T07:09:00.000+01:002006-08-11T07:09:00.000+01:00You people are crazy, interesting, but crazy...alt...You people are crazy, interesting, but crazy...although I'm with you on the incense thing. A lot can be learned from that holy smoke.Miss Monificationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03886468288257840451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post-1155090592812452372006-08-09T03:29:00.000+01:002006-08-09T03:29:00.000+01:00Yes, incense is a must... along with Byrd!!Yes, incense is a must... along with Byrd!!aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06510939349715766090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post-1154995196001814572006-08-08T00:59:00.000+01:002006-08-08T00:59:00.000+01:00I don't know Aaron...I do understand what you mean...I don't know Aaron...I do understand what you mean but can you equate Mass with the type of music you listen to? I mean one is a holy sacrifice and the other is entertainment. Still doesn't sit all that well with me. <BR/>Anyway... I think I fixed that PPS problem you mentioned.Miss Monificationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03886468288257840451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post-1154943765994904252006-08-07T10:42:00.000+01:002006-08-07T10:42:00.000+01:00Most of your commentary is reasonable. I put the p...Most of your commentary is reasonable. I put the post on my blog just out of interest to determine what kind of people read my blog. I know they are pretty much all orthodox, but what kind. Did I have the Fr. Fessio kind, real trads, or just plain old orthodox. <BR/><BR/>I think the question is a genuine one. It's more about the preference for liturgy. Anglicans will have similar. Low Church, High Church, Evangelical etc. Let alone all the breakaways. It purely determines liturgical preference in a similar way to asking what kind of music someone listens to. <BR/><BR/>Hey, this is good. I might post these comments of mine on my own blog. <BR/><BR/>PS. Comment moderation is on!<BR/>PPS. You don't have you blog on your profile to people interested in knowing your opinion from my blog can't find them.aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06510939349715766090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15129179.post-1154915398949102762006-08-07T02:49:00.000+01:002006-08-07T02:49:00.000+01:00Talk about gagging on gnats and swallowing camels ...Talk about gagging on gnats and swallowing camels — you are arguing about the kind of gnat you prefer when you have already swallowed the camel of transsubstantiation. I'll never get over such gullibility excused as an article of faith. And the dinasaurs were gods test of faith in the Bible.Yodoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09244765916380830711noreply@blogger.com